America's Next 250 with Ezra Klein
A conversation about freedom and attention
For a live show Q&A last year, we considered our dream guests for the podcast. Here’s Sarah’s response:
Well, today, part of Sarah’s wish has been granted. Ezra Klein is here to talk with us about where America sits at this anniversary, and what he’s thinking about as he looks ahead. We hope you enjoy listening to this conversation as much as we enjoyed having it. -Beth
P.S. Just putting into the universe that I’d still very much like to talk to French president Emmanuel Macron. Just sayin’.
Topics Discussed
The vision of abundance and why the future is so hard to imagine
Attention as a collective resource — and why ours is deranged
Freedom as choice vs. freedom as self-mastery
Virtue, vice, and the illiberal moment
Institutional trust, corruption, and the education debate
Natalism, AI, and whether we're living through an aberration
Outside of Politics: which founder would make the best podcast guest
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Episode Resources
• Abundance by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781668023488
• Why We're Polarized by Ezra Klein
https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781476700366
• The Lost History of Liberalism by Helena Rosenblatt
https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9780691203966
• The Pursuit of Happiness by Jeffrey Rosen https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781668002483
• The British Are Coming by Rick Atkinson
https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781250231321
• "Now Is a Time of Monsters" by Ezra Klein, The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/12/opinion/ai-climate-change-low-birth-rates.html?eafs_enabled=false
Episode Transcript
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