I feel like most Americans would indeed care about the immoral and unprecedented behaviors of the 1st DT admin… if they knew about it and believed it. Many (most?) Americans didn’t understand the scope or details of the 1st impeachment, or didn’t believe in it.
While the whole “alternative facts” quote was before this, 2019 seemed to be when the admin and the Republican Party became real comfortable with outright lying to the people. Fox & MAGA were better than ever about spreading their influence on all platforms. The truth wasn’t being heard by many/most.
I just listened to “Engines of Outrage” on NPR as a reminder of how our news got here to being so different for most people. I don’t know how we fix it. The Dems certainly don’t have a plan for the information war.
Can anyone summarize for me what the price of Tik Tock has been? This is regarding the end of the episode Beth says regarding Tik tock “And what would we have said if the ghost of technology future had come to us and said, now the price of this will be the following.” I know Beth and Sarah have touched on effects and pieces of this over and over but I could use a tidy summary.
It’s clear that these episodes are challenging for you guys to do, but I’m so grateful! Listening to you process these issues forces me to look back too, at my assumptions or arrogance or (even, once in a while) insights! I really respect that you’re willing to go to the hard places, rather than just putting a shiny bow on 10 years. Thank you!
I am loving this series! I came to PP in 2016 and hearing all these recaps is so therapeutic. I re-remembered that there were a ton of traumatic shootings and that haunted me everywhere I turned in 2016-2019. I’d forgotten why until I listened to these recaps. Listening has brought so many threads like that together for me. Thank you!
To the point of we were not very persuasive in 2019 but simply morality policing ourselves and each other about what we felt was obvious - I absolutely agree we did that and also I don’t think we could have made a difference even if we could have been persuasive because we can’t persuade people out of cultlike behavior. For years people, like my folks, had been led to believe terrible things about the left - deep state, Hilary, etc - by Fox News and others pedaling misinformation. So they were primed to follow Trump like a cult leader in 2016 and following, and I don’t think there’s a damn thing we could have done to persuade them differently. Over time we can be persuasive but not in the short and overwhelming time period between 2016-2019. And I know for myself, I felt betrayed by the people who raised me and I couldn’t really even process that betrayal other than to distance myself and honestly lean into the feeling of moral superiority as a coping mechanism. I don’t think that posture helped me be persuasive in any way but maybe we can’t be persuasive while also self protecting and trying to protect those we considered vulnerable. I guess I just feel tender toward that 2019 version of us - we got things wrong with morality policing but I don’t think we could have been persuasive toward the right because we spent so much energy persuading ourselves that we were seeing things accurately, and we were up against cult behavior.
As I listen to the podcast on my own summer schedule, I’m here a bit late. However the power you two have to mention something that hasn’t been headline news in a while only for the NEXT business day the Epstein files flop and magas big mad energy. Like- what other loose ends do we need to tie up that Beth and Sarah can manifest?!?
I'm listening to this episode on Monday July 7th and they've just confirmed that there is nothing juicy coming out of the released documents. And it just feels like another depressing reminder that wealthy and powerful men don't have to follow the rules. The women who get harmed in their wake don't get any sense of justice. Instead, they are shamed because they should have known better or behaved better.
I am also listening in the wake of the new “news”. I also read a nasty piece this morning indicating that there’s a lot of similar smoke around Peter Thiel and a gay version. Corrupt power is never far away.
Hard agree that I need a new Highwomen album. Re: "Old Town Road" - I agree that it was another brick falling from the wall that Country Music had built, but let's also not forget that Billboard (under pressure from capital C Country Music) removed it from the country charts and that the song was not considered for a Grammy under Country song, nor was it nominated for the CMTs, ACAs, or the CMAs.
Beth’s comment about burnout really resonated with me. When you’re burned out you sometimes just say “fine.” Which makes me wonder, how are we going to do things differently next time around when we are already burned out (at least I am)?
We had gone to the downtown Houston library in October 2018 to get our whole family passports in preparation for a trip down to Big Bend over Christmas break. The shutdown started right before we left for Davis Mountains. We still went to BB, but only for a day and without the rangers on staff.
We returned the following Christmas break and finally did the Boquillas crossing. But it all was so pointless and harmful.
I feel like in 2019 we were getting whiplash from all the things "going viral". They weren't necessarily what was most important, but it had the most attention so we felt we had to care, and by then the attention had spread to the next thing. The algorithm was just getting started. I think it's fitting right after this was when we got hit with the reality of a LITERAL virus.
These flashback episodes feel like the eras tour of PP—they’re helping me revisit my own experiences from each of the last 10 years! In 2019 I spent a summer observing quasars through a telescope on a mountain in Wyoming and fell in love with a fellow observer. I had my hardest semester of college in the spring, and my last real semester of college in the fall (I graduated during the weird 2020 spring semester). It was a year of a lot of growing up.
It feels like I've been listening longer, but I know I learned about you when I found your book at the library. And Goodreads says that was August 2019.
June 2019 got me. I was going to the Evolving Faith conference that fall and decided to read all the speakers' books that my library had. What an expected joy to still be refreshed by their work 6 years later!
Sarah: Yes, please on a new highwomen album!! (I learned about that album from PP and I listened so much!) What's this summer's listening suggestion?
Beth: I really resonated with your reflections on the first impeachment (what a strange phrase that is to write!)... and, I am still honestly haunted by the "access hollywood" tape.
When that tape didn't matter enough to change the trajectory of his win in 2016, well, it feels like I should have been less surprised by all that has happened since. The approach to public life and the actions taken have continued to build on that first "pass" from the Amercian public. And the impeachment was a "pass" from congress.
Sarah: I know this is really a 2020 comment. But I remember so viscerally the morning news brief that you did where you said something to the effect that scientists/Healthcare workers were starting to express alarm about a virus in China. And I have always remembered that episode as being in Dec 2019. (Maybe Jan 2020). I think of it often precisely because I didn't really think much of it at the time... I am ashamed of my ignorance actually. We just never know, in the moment, what will be the most impactful events. Humbling.
I feel like most Americans would indeed care about the immoral and unprecedented behaviors of the 1st DT admin… if they knew about it and believed it. Many (most?) Americans didn’t understand the scope or details of the 1st impeachment, or didn’t believe in it.
While the whole “alternative facts” quote was before this, 2019 seemed to be when the admin and the Republican Party became real comfortable with outright lying to the people. Fox & MAGA were better than ever about spreading their influence on all platforms. The truth wasn’t being heard by many/most.
I just listened to “Engines of Outrage” on NPR as a reminder of how our news got here to being so different for most people. I don’t know how we fix it. The Dems certainly don’t have a plan for the information war.
This is the year I started listening 😊
Can anyone summarize for me what the price of Tik Tock has been? This is regarding the end of the episode Beth says regarding Tik tock “And what would we have said if the ghost of technology future had come to us and said, now the price of this will be the following.” I know Beth and Sarah have touched on effects and pieces of this over and over but I could use a tidy summary.
It’s clear that these episodes are challenging for you guys to do, but I’m so grateful! Listening to you process these issues forces me to look back too, at my assumptions or arrogance or (even, once in a while) insights! I really respect that you’re willing to go to the hard places, rather than just putting a shiny bow on 10 years. Thank you!
I am loving this series! I came to PP in 2016 and hearing all these recaps is so therapeutic. I re-remembered that there were a ton of traumatic shootings and that haunted me everywhere I turned in 2016-2019. I’d forgotten why until I listened to these recaps. Listening has brought so many threads like that together for me. Thank you!
To the point of we were not very persuasive in 2019 but simply morality policing ourselves and each other about what we felt was obvious - I absolutely agree we did that and also I don’t think we could have made a difference even if we could have been persuasive because we can’t persuade people out of cultlike behavior. For years people, like my folks, had been led to believe terrible things about the left - deep state, Hilary, etc - by Fox News and others pedaling misinformation. So they were primed to follow Trump like a cult leader in 2016 and following, and I don’t think there’s a damn thing we could have done to persuade them differently. Over time we can be persuasive but not in the short and overwhelming time period between 2016-2019. And I know for myself, I felt betrayed by the people who raised me and I couldn’t really even process that betrayal other than to distance myself and honestly lean into the feeling of moral superiority as a coping mechanism. I don’t think that posture helped me be persuasive in any way but maybe we can’t be persuasive while also self protecting and trying to protect those we considered vulnerable. I guess I just feel tender toward that 2019 version of us - we got things wrong with morality policing but I don’t think we could have been persuasive toward the right because we spent so much energy persuading ourselves that we were seeing things accurately, and we were up against cult behavior.
As I listen to the podcast on my own summer schedule, I’m here a bit late. However the power you two have to mention something that hasn’t been headline news in a while only for the NEXT business day the Epstein files flop and magas big mad energy. Like- what other loose ends do we need to tie up that Beth and Sarah can manifest?!?
I’m pretty certain I became a regular listener in 2019 (spice cabinet member only last year). I like to think I’m here because of the “ugh” of it all.
Re: Epstien
I'm listening to this episode on Monday July 7th and they've just confirmed that there is nothing juicy coming out of the released documents. And it just feels like another depressing reminder that wealthy and powerful men don't have to follow the rules. The women who get harmed in their wake don't get any sense of justice. Instead, they are shamed because they should have known better or behaved better.
I am also listening in the wake of the new “news”. I also read a nasty piece this morning indicating that there’s a lot of similar smoke around Peter Thiel and a gay version. Corrupt power is never far away.
Hard agree that I need a new Highwomen album. Re: "Old Town Road" - I agree that it was another brick falling from the wall that Country Music had built, but let's also not forget that Billboard (under pressure from capital C Country Music) removed it from the country charts and that the song was not considered for a Grammy under Country song, nor was it nominated for the CMTs, ACAs, or the CMAs.
Beth’s comment about burnout really resonated with me. When you’re burned out you sometimes just say “fine.” Which makes me wonder, how are we going to do things differently next time around when we are already burned out (at least I am)?
Since now I can't get Old Town Road out of my head, I have succumbed to watching all the old videos and remixes.
Oh the government shutdown...
We had gone to the downtown Houston library in October 2018 to get our whole family passports in preparation for a trip down to Big Bend over Christmas break. The shutdown started right before we left for Davis Mountains. We still went to BB, but only for a day and without the rangers on staff.
We returned the following Christmas break and finally did the Boquillas crossing. But it all was so pointless and harmful.
I feel like in 2019 we were getting whiplash from all the things "going viral". They weren't necessarily what was most important, but it had the most attention so we felt we had to care, and by then the attention had spread to the next thing. The algorithm was just getting started. I think it's fitting right after this was when we got hit with the reality of a LITERAL virus.
These flashback episodes feel like the eras tour of PP—they’re helping me revisit my own experiences from each of the last 10 years! In 2019 I spent a summer observing quasars through a telescope on a mountain in Wyoming and fell in love with a fellow observer. I had my hardest semester of college in the spring, and my last real semester of college in the fall (I graduated during the weird 2020 spring semester). It was a year of a lot of growing up.
It feels like I've been listening longer, but I know I learned about you when I found your book at the library. And Goodreads says that was August 2019.
June 2019 got me. I was going to the Evolving Faith conference that fall and decided to read all the speakers' books that my library had. What an expected joy to still be refreshed by their work 6 years later!
I am really enjoying these episodes!
Sarah: Yes, please on a new highwomen album!! (I learned about that album from PP and I listened so much!) What's this summer's listening suggestion?
Beth: I really resonated with your reflections on the first impeachment (what a strange phrase that is to write!)... and, I am still honestly haunted by the "access hollywood" tape.
When that tape didn't matter enough to change the trajectory of his win in 2016, well, it feels like I should have been less surprised by all that has happened since. The approach to public life and the actions taken have continued to build on that first "pass" from the Amercian public. And the impeachment was a "pass" from congress.
Sarah: I know this is really a 2020 comment. But I remember so viscerally the morning news brief that you did where you said something to the effect that scientists/Healthcare workers were starting to express alarm about a virus in China. And I have always remembered that episode as being in Dec 2019. (Maybe Jan 2020). I think of it often precisely because I didn't really think much of it at the time... I am ashamed of my ignorance actually. We just never know, in the moment, what will be the most impactful events. Humbling.
I too was late to understand Billy Elish.